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Vagabond
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 Posted: 18-Oct-2017 22:19 Post subject: Re: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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| Horhiro wrote: | | I'm leaning towards no case. IMHO the beauty of an ammo explosion, is that except late in the game its pretty much a mech killer. I've always liked the idea that if your going to carry ammo weapons then you've gotta take that chance. I cry foul when someone comes to battle with no MG ammo! |
I can understand that idea.
| wrote: | | Of course that's one of my peeves with the clan mechs as designed. Only 2 xl engine slots in the torso, so even if you get that ammo/guass explosion it doesn't put them down. Great for campaigns but not as much fun for me in battles. |
Yah. Same reason I use LFE's over Standard or ISXL.
| wrote: | | Still thinking just single heat sinks, so as to force on players the tactics of heat management. |
Ok. I can fully understand. Is the difference between a Marauder sinking 16 heat or sinking 22 heat. It would allow 2 PPC + AC/5 every turn. Or the ability to squeeze a few more weapons on a Awesome, swap 6 or so SHS for a few DHS-P.
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Mordel
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| Posted: 19-Oct-2017 09:12 Post subject: Re: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | Aren't there any early clan technologies in the Golden Century sourcebook (I didn't read that one yet.) |
Nothing new introduced in that one with regards to technology.
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2018 12:40 Post subject: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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Okay, I've been giving this some more thought. Thanks for all the feedback. Last weekend at TotalCon, we played with Clans for the BattleTech Finals, and although it was fun, it certainly reinforced the OP nature of the Clan technology, even against each other. Heavies and Assaults were destroyed fast and furious in many ways, including head capping guass. In 2 consecutive turns, Chihawk destroyed a mint Hellbringer (one being me) in his own heavy. Once from the rear and once from the side torso.
So again I got to thinking (for my own personal use) about designing these to be more long lasting, yet still different from the I.S. designs. And perhaps becoming more fun/challenging to play.
For my experiment, (Still all IS Tech) I'm allowing DHS, but only the freebies with the engine, XL engines, Ultra/LBX AC2 and AC5, Anti-missle system, any civil war era advanced non-weapon tech, Artemis IV, but still only other 3025 weapons. (still no case)
The goal in mind, is that this would be the tech they could use against other clans, or against I.S. Mechs which would be limited to only 3025 tech.
I'm trying to design with longevity in the forefront, so close to max armor as possible.
I'm also trying to give them all Improved C3i, to give them a gunnery edge without actually having to lower their gunnery skill. Obviously more helpful when in combat as a star formation (which is still tactically superior than fighting as a lance)
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2018 12:41 Post subject: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Name/Model: Hellbringer (Prime)
Designer: Horhiro
Source(s): Custom Mordel.Net Units
Technology: Inner Sphere
Technology Rating: E
Tonnage: 65
Configuration: Biped BattleMech
Era/Year: Civil War / 3067
Rules (Current): Tournament Legal (Extinct)
Rules (Era): Tournament Legal
Rules (Year): Tournament Legal
Total Cost: 15,925,525 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,803
Structure: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 325 XL
Walking Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: None
Armor: Standard
Armament:
3 Anti-Missile Systems
1 SRM 6 w/ Artemis IV FCS
3 Medium Lasers
2 PPCs
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking: Unknown
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Equipment Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo Steel 3.50
Engine: 325 XL 12.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks (Double): 11 [22] 1.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Armor Factor: 208 13.00
Type: Standard
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 21 30
Center Torso (rear): 9
R/L Torso: 15 22
R/L Torso (rear): 8
R/L Arm: 10 20
R/L Leg: 15 30
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Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
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Anti-Missile System H (R) 1 0.50
Improved C3 Computer CT 2 2.50
Anti-Missile System (Ammo 12) RT 1 1.00
SRM 6 w/ Artemis IV FCS RT 2 3.00
SRM 6 (Ammo 15) [Artemis IV] RT 1 1.00
Guardian ECM Suite LT 2 1.50
3 Medium Lasers LT 3 3.00
Anti-Missile System RA 1 0.50
PPC RA 3 7.00
Anti-Missile System LA 1 0.50
PPC LA 3 7.00
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2018 12:42 Post subject: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Name/Model: Summoner (Prime)
Designer: Horhiro
Source(s): Custom Mordel.Net Units
Technology: Inner Sphere
Technology Rating: E
Tonnage: 70
Configuration: Biped BattleMech
Era/Year: Civil War / 3067
Rules (Current): Tournament Legal (Extinct)
Rules (Era): Tournament Legal
Rules (Year): Tournament Legal
Total Cost: 17,558,167 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,651
Structure: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 350 XL
Walking Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
1 LRM 10 w/ Artemis IV FCS
1 PPC
1 Ultra AC/5
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking: Unknown
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Equipment Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo Steel 3.50
Engine: 350 XL 15.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks (Double): 10 [20] 0.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Armor Factor: 208 13.00
Type: Standard
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 22 30
Center Torso (rear): 9
R/L Torso: 15 22
R/L Torso (rear): 8
R/L Arm: 11 20
R/L Leg: 15 30
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Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
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Improved C3 Computer CT 2 2.50
Jump Jet RT 1 1.00
LRM 10 w/ Artemis IV FCS LT 2 5.00
LRM 10 (Ammo 12) [Artemis IV] LT 1 1.00
Ultra AC/5 (Ammo 20) LT 1 1.00
PPC RA 3 7.00
Ultra AC/5 LA 5 9.00
2 Jump Jets RL 2 2.00
2 Jump Jets LL 2 2.00
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2018 13:11 Post subject: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Name/Model: Mad Dog (Prime)
Designer: Horhiro
Source(s): Custom Mordel.Net Units
Technology: Inner Sphere
Technology Rating: E
Tonnage: 60
Configuration: Biped BattleMech
Era/Year: Civil War / 3067
Rules (Current): Tournament Legal (Extinct)
Rules (Era): Tournament Legal
Rules (Year): Tournament Legal
Total Cost: 12,931,600 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,683
Structure: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 300 XL
Walking Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: None
Armor: Standard
Armament:
1 Small Laser
2 LRM 15 w/ Artemis IV FCS
6 Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking: Unknown
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Equipment Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo Steel 3.00
Engine: 300 XL 9.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks (Double): 10 [20] 0.00
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Armor Factor: 200 12.50
Type: Standard
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 20 30
Center Torso (rear): 9
R/L Torso: 14 22
R/L Torso (rear): 6
R/L Arm: 10 20
R/L Leg: 14 28
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Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
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Small Laser H 1 0.50
Improved C3 Computer CT 2 2.50
LRM 15 w/ Artemis IV FCS RT 3 7.00
LRM 15 (Ammo 16) [Artemis IV] RT 2 2.00
Medium Laser RT 1 1.00
LRM 15 w/ Artemis IV FCS LT 3 7.00
LRM 15 (Ammo 16) [Artemis IV] LT 2 2.00
Medium Laser LT 1 1.00
2 Medium Lasers RA 2 2.00
2 Medium Lasers LA 2 2.00
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2018 13:24 Post subject: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Name/Model: Timber Wolf (Prime)
Designer: Horhiro
Source(s): Custom Mordel.Net Units
Technology: Inner Sphere
Technology Rating: E
Tonnage: 75
Configuration: Biped BattleMech
Era/Year: Civil War / 3067
Rules (Current): Tournament Legal (Extinct)
Rules (Era): Tournament Legal
Rules (Year): Tournament Legal
Total Cost: 19,420,188 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,738
Structure: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 375 XL
Walking Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: None
Armor: Standard
Armament:
1 Small Laser
2 LRM 10 w/ Artemis IV FCS
2 Large Lasers
2 Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking: Unknown
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Equipment Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo Steel 4.00
Engine: 375 XL 19.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks (Double): 11 [22] 1.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Armor Factor: 231 14.50
Type: Standard
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 23 37
Center Torso (rear): 9
R/L Torso: 16 24
R/L Torso (rear): 8
R/L Arm: 12 24
R/L Leg: 16 32
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Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
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Small Laser H 1 0.50
Improved C3 Computer CT 2 2.50
LRM 10 w/ Artemis IV FCS RT 2 5.00
LRM 10 (Ammo 12) [Artemis IV] RT 1 1.00
LRM 10 w/ Artemis IV FCS LT 2 5.00
LRM 10 (Ammo 12) [Artemis IV] LT 1 1.00
Large Laser RA 2 5.00
Medium Laser RA 1 1.00
Large Laser LA 2 5.00
Medium Laser LA 1 1.00
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2018 21:57 Post subject: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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Interesting idea on the DHS. Engine only vs DHS-P which is outside engine only.
And still thinking you should use the Clan Improved items in Interstellar Ops.
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Mordel
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2018 09:09 Post subject: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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I think what you may be looking for is already in Interstellar Operations (p. 95). Here it talks about early Clan Improved equipment. Essentially taking things that were available to the Inner Sphere during the Exodus, but changing the technology base of them to Clan. So you have things like Clan Large Lasers, Clan PPCs, Clan SRMs/LRMs, etc. For the most part, they are identical to the Inner Sphere versions at that time. So around ~2820, you can build these Clan designs, but utilize the IS technology weapons.
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 02-Mar-2018 18:15 Post subject: The Clans: 3025 Inner Sphere Tech? |
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I’ve gotta get interstellar operations!! Thanks!
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