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Storm
Draconis Combine
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 Posted: 26-Mar-2007 19:09 Post subject: Sorry Chihawk |
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| wrote: | Talking about what weapons you own is allowed.
Talking about gun laws is considered "political" and is not allowed in this forum.
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Sorry Chihawk. I just didn't want anyone to make the same mistake I did.
Storm
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Gunslinger Patch
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| Posted: 26-Mar-2007 23:06 Post subject: |
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Not every state has the castle doctrine, only a few. Even here in Texas it hasn't become law yet. What you can do and when you can do it can vary greatly from one state to another.
The question of when to draw is a big one. It is easy to consider it in the abstract, at the moment of truth, with maybe a second or two to make your decision, that's a whole other matter.
One thing to consider though, something I understand is demonstrated at a number or gun training courses these days. A man with a knife standing 7 yards away from you, that's 21 feet, even a chubby man, can cover that ground in less than 3 seconds and stab you. And most actual shootings, cops or civilians, take place at under 10 feet, more like 7 feet.
On a gun forum I post on, one member stated that he had gone through a training course where, although he was not in the best of shape, he started lying face down one the ground, ankles crossed and arms stretched out to the sides, called I think the angel position. And he got up, covered that 7 yards and tackled his instructor in a little less than 3 seconds.
So if someone is brandishing a weapon at you, waiting until he steps close enough to actually hit you with it means it is too late to draw that weapon and stop him with the threat of force or even with just shooting him. More likely he'll be bashing your head in with a shovel while you are trying to get it clear of the leather.
Cops know this very well. How often have you read about some nut with a knife and cops had their guns out and on him and blew him away as soon as he make a move toward them? They are not interested in getting stapped or hacked up. Cops know all about how fast someone with a melee weapon can close the distance. And a vest made to stop bullets is not a vest made to stop knife blades.
So much depends on at what point you percieve a threat and at what point you decide you need that gun in your hand. And again, your whole decision making process to draw the gun will be taking place in only a few seconds or so. It is just an unfortunate fact that castle doctrine or no castle doctrine, the police have a lot more leeway on the use of force and on the simple display and threat of force than you will if you ever have to do it.
And on those gun forums, even the people who really do practice diligently on actually drawing and firing as quickly as they can will tell you that if the bad guy is within 30 feet or so and coming at you... with your gun concealed, under a coat, under a shirt, with the safetly engaged and the safety snap on the holster buttoned in place, even if you did practice odds are you can't get that gun out, ready, aimed, and fired with effect fast enough to stop him from reaching you.
Not unless your gun was already drawn and ready before he charged you.
One important bit of advice I've read on what to do after you have drawn the gun or had to shoot is definetly call 911. Even if you know others have done so too, do it yourself and fast. There's no telling what the others have said is going on.
And a lot depends on the attitude of the officer toward you when he gets there. If you don't like how he is talking to you or looking at you, demand to know who actually will be making the decision to arrest you and demand to talk to that officer instead of the unfriendly one.
From what Storm said, I'm guessing he found out not every cop is his friend. He was on his own property and they chose to believe the trespasser/aggressor over him.
Another big piece of advice is if you carry concealed, know a lawyer, and have his card on you. And if you have to fight, wether you talk about it much to the police or not depends on wether you even know the officers, wether you think they are friendly toward you or not. In other words, be ready to clam up and lawyer up. (In Chicago, for instance, I would just lawyer up at once.) And tell the officers when they arrive that you want not just to charge the other guy with a crime, but to sue him... before he sues you.
That part where the attacker or his next of kin sues you in civil court for excessive force, by the way. Part of what is called the castle doctrine is that they can't do that anymore. Look it up in the web to learn more about it.
Chihawk, I mention the castle doctrine because not everyone knows what it entails or in what states it exists.
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Storm
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| Posted: 28-Mar-2007 17:49 Post subject: Friendly Cops |
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| wrote: | And a lot depends on the attitude of the officer toward you when he gets there. If you don't like how he is talking to you or looking at you, demand to know who actually will be making the decision to arrest you and demand to talk to that officer instead of the unfriendly one.
From what Storm said, I'm guessing he found out not every cop is his friend. He was on his own property and they chose to believe the trespasser/aggressor over him. |
Actually, my wife is the local dogcatcher, so I'd met him before. He didn't want to arrest me, the detective who showed up did.
The guy comng back repeatedly after the fact really trashed his case.
And I made good friends with the meanest lawyer in town. Ever watch the show "House?" He could be my lawyer's nice twin brother.
It was a learning experience. As Robert Kiyosaki says, "Mistakes aren't bad, if you learn from them." I learned. I now have a real nice digital camera and a cell phone handy.
Storm
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Gunslinger Patch
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You know, I have thus far in life refused to own a cell phone. 95% of the people I see with one glued to their heads every moment they are not actually working aren't doing anything but making "Can you hear me now?" calls and I don't want to be one of them. I've just never liked to make any phone call unless I have a real purpose for it. "How's it going?" isn't a real purpose to me.
But with these new photo and filming phones. Yeah, I think having one of those once I do get a carry license would be a real good idea.
Oh, and I was a bit wrong about the Castle Doctrine here in Texas. I thought it was going to soon be voted on, but it already has been, approved by a very large margin, and Governor Perry signed it into law back on Tuesday to go into into effect Sept. 1. It was the very first thing the 2007 Texas legislature voted on and it went through kinda fast.
It is 3 main things. No more duty to retreat if possible, the act of breaking/forced entry into a home, car, or business is now assumed to mean with intent to do you harm. And the criminal/next of kin can't sue you anymore.
Here's the text of it.
www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/pdf/SB00378F.pdf
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2007 13:33 Post subject: |
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I have about 3 dozen knives, a half dozen daggers, a dozen Replica swords, a dozen or so real swords, a warhammer, a naginata, a Kwang.
And as a Medieval re-enactor, I learned to use every one of them.
Also a .22 target rifle and a 410 shotgun.
And some other odds and ends....
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SaberDance
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2007 14:54 Post subject: |
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| Sir Henry wrote: | I have about 3 dozen knives, a half dozen daggers, a dozen Replica swords, a dozen or so real swords, a warhammer, a naginata, a Kwang.
And as a Medieval re-enactor, I learned to use every one of them.
Also a .22 target rifle and a 410 shotgun.
And some other odds and ends.... |
How's the medieval re-enacting work? I've done some fencing demonstrations which were live. We'd do a number of pre-planned routines which were big and slow so everyone could see what we were doing. But then we'd go live and do a 1-touch bout (reflecting that most duels ended at first blood, and even if they didn't, point weapons are disablers almost anywhere they hit).
Is medieval re-enacting similar, or is it more showy, or is it more historic-reconstruction?
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Sir Henry
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The garb has to be authentic to five feet. The armor and weapons have to be working and safe.
We don't have pre-plan routines. We fight. We react to blows as if they were at full strength. We don't kill each other, because we wouldn't have anyone else play with..
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